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PostSubject: America - The World Against One Country   Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:05 am

Well, Ive been wanting to bring this debate up on a plenty of forums, but have been to lazy to do so. Ive been to italy, I was born in Puetro Rico, and ive been To Japan. Seems I hear from a lot of people that I know who live outside of the country, dont like america. Issues concerning:
-Presidency, and how easily the voting system can be corrupted //The False Lies hopes campaigns bring
-How The Country is one of the Biggest produces of harmful wastes into the air, providing for a large amount that goes into the atmosphere each year. Depleting the ozone and helping global warming along.
-70% of the country being obese
-Problems of Racism [Every Country has theirs though >.>]
-Uneployement going up
-More homeless people each year
-To much money spent on soldiers and unecessary weapons used for war
-The increasing problem and rise of Neo Nazi's and the general consensus that it wont "reach us in our area"

There are a lot of arguments that I hear that are against america, those just being some of the issues that are brought up. I am not against America, nor do I like whats said about it, but, I wanna here arguments, defense of our country. Come on people, For or against, defend the country or talk more about how its bad,
DEBATE HERE! go

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PostSubject: Re: America - The World Against One Country   Wed Aug 13, 2008 9:56 am

No country is perfect. Thats why we have all these wars and such. However, I think the reason our country gets the brunt of all these insults is because we are the country that has the most power right now. =/

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PostSubject: Re: America - The World Against One Country   Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:09 pm

I am definately for the USA. I was born and raised in the biggest state. And with my job and all the Ventures my business has with outside our Country business' I have as well heard many of these arguements and comments that USA is bad.

But I'm gonna break it down real fast. The people that are taught that USA is a bigot country and is all in all "bad" were raised and taught like that was the case. In fact the USA is not anything like the rest of the world believes it to be.

Here's the kicker. We, as United States Citizens, have been raised to believe that China is a Communist country. Funny right. Because China is a PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC. Not a communist union.

So it is not that the world hates the USA it is that the Governments of some Countries are afraid of the USA and therefore inflict that fear into their people by teaching the next Generation to Hate Us. Plain and Simple.

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PostSubject: Re: America - The World Against One Country   Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:20 am

Actually, being someone not from the US, I could say that citizens in this country are kinda pretty lucky in a way...

I mean, you don't have terrorists that hide in your backyard... unlike us who's always afraid that maybe at a certain time in a day, someone could bomb the city and then the politicians could have another excuse to use the money of the people for their own pleasure instead of using them to help the victims....

Our president here isn't a saint too ya know... but in a certain way, I thank her for sucking up to Bush just to help our country in terms of poverty and military assistance... still, the proceeds from US is still corrupted..... which is still not a good thing for us poor citizens..

so, be glad and thank that what you have can still be good in another's point of view...

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PostSubject: Re: America - The World Against One Country   Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:16 am

^This is a debate, Im not taking sides with either - Im bringing along facts to move along the debate.

However if I had to choose, a side, being a citizen of the us, [PR is a commonwealth of america so yea legally im a us citizen] I would choose to defend the us.

However how do we defend actions such as, sending more troops to iraq fight a senseless war? For what oil? Yea lets go out to iraq for their oil, instead of exploring more of our own natural reserves, or even better, lets NOT make a true effort towards energy efficient ways of travel. Lets send more troops to iraq, put up our national debt by over 1.5 trillion, lose more human lives, and contribute to global warming. Oh yea even better is america is a super power, how is that a good example to set for the world. How about the treaty the UN came across with to make a global effort to stop global warming? Lets not sign the treaty, and get ourselves in bad graces with france and several other countries again.

Dont get me wrong, I am a citizen, I defend my own country, I like my country. However for the sake of this debate, im arguing the other side to keep a conversation going. So please dont think me anti american because im not.

@Vix- Every country has their issues, but america is a super power - our issues are great and in many number, it effects the things on a world scale [countries etc] sometimes decisions made, especially from our president, if their wrong, can result in turmoil.

Lets look at iraq -
Basically since we got involved, suddam hussein has been removed from power, and o shit they can vote now. That is amazing, but more deaths and terrorists have risen from our "meddling" in the country, now if we retreat from the country, the innocent citizens that we are defending over their will die at the hands of there own government, extremists, or terrorists. The thing that sucks is, we are loosing human lives, families here in america who are affected by people being drafted and sent to iraq. Thousands of lives lost, its like throwing more meat in a grinder. Now that we put ourselves in that situation, what do we do? Remove our troops and repraise grieving families/satisfy those who want the troops to removed, or do we continue to defend those "innocent citizens". Its no ones fault, but our own, or rather bushes for putting ourselves in that situation. //rant done for now

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PostSubject: Re: America - The World Against One Country   Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:09 pm

America kinda sucks, but no worse than any other country. Sure, it's got problems, but it's not the only one. I'm not a patriotic person, so I could care less one way or another.
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PostSubject: Re: America - The World Against One Country   Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:22 pm

Fallon, the point of the debate, is to argue, just saying it sucks, just not more than any country - Tell me how does that move the debate forward?

If you read whats being put out, Its dealing with why a lot of people are the world complain about our country, and it being a SUPERPOWER, the msitakes we make are considered bigger to the rest of the world than we would. And thats the debate, not whether its sucks more than another country or doesnt.

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PostSubject: Re: America - The World Against One Country   Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:37 pm

but why are we such a super-power? why do we have so much power in the world? im sorry but it doesn't make much sense....

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PostSubject: Re: America - The World Against One Country   Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:45 pm

we are considered "Super power" because of where we rank, in technology and weapons mostly. What we do does affect the world, just the same as russia or any other big country. Some actions changed can affecr others

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PostSubject: Re: America - The World Against One Country   Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:56 pm

hm....i don't like that. power causes conflict. hence, terriorism.=/

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PostSubject: Re: America - The World Against One Country   Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:39 am

Estados Unidos having such power could get such attention from terrorists... and adding the fact that the country is disturbing the middle easterns which is now having so many problems in moving on from the war....

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PostSubject: Re: America - The World Against One Country   Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:29 pm

Well, I'm going to answer some of Kio's questions. Oil from the middle east... Are you kidding. That's not why we're there. Alaska's Anwar oil field is the biggest in the world, But the Politicians banned our own drilling. There is an oil field under the Rocky Mount's, (name escapes me) that nearly rivals anwar, but Washington banned that drilling, So is oil the reason the U.S. in the middle east. Not a chance.

@Kio. I know you're argueing the other side to move it along. But as someone who's been over to Iraq four times in the last two years (Charity work over there my boss lieks to do) I know that the only thing that has happened in Iraq, Is improvement. I don't care what any Dem, Lib, or Green party people say, what the U.S. is doing is working. There are children playing in the freakin streets unafraid. I can't think of anyhting better than that kind of help. The help that gives children the right to play.

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PostSubject: Re: America - The World Against One Country   Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:15 pm

Theres no way that what we're doing isn't helping, that would be impossible, nor do i feel that any political party has anything to do with it.
as for oil drilling, i think its unfair to save OUR natural resources and then go to another part of the world and take theirs. =/ selfish in my mind....

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PostSubject: Re: America - The World Against One Country   Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:51 pm

there would always be a part in the intention of US that gives them benefits... so i think, either it is to gain power in middle east or the oil..... their mere presence is giving people either fear or hope, but that usually depends on the situation of the individual.....

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